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enferpitou
Posts : 248 Join date : 2014-06-26
| Subject: How to PC in Flipchat1 26/9/2014, 06:27 | |
| Hey everyone! Thank you for your interest in pcing for Flipchat1! It is great to see so many people willing to pricecheck. Pricecheckers keep Flipchat1 active and help everyone make money! In this guide I will be going through how to update the margins, how to handle different scenerios, and how to be an all around successful pricechecker! You MUST use the last post on the forums when you pc, as these are the most recent margins! If you do not it will result in loss of money for the fc!**Reminder** Nib/Nis means that the item has actually bought/sold! DO NOT REPORT IF THE ITEM HAS NOT BOUGHT/SOLD YET!MAKE SURE YOU POST YOUR MARGINS ON THE FORUMS WHEN YOU ARE DONE PCING, OTHERWISE YOUR PCING WILL BE POINTLESS! You will need to know what items we pricecheck, and which lines they belong to! Listed below are all of the lines, which items are in them, and abbreviations for each item: Bandos Line (Bline)
- Bh- Bandos Helmet
- Bcp- Bandos Chestplate
- Bt/Tass- Bandos Tassets
- Bg- Bandos Gloves
- Bb- Bandos Boots
- Bws- Bandos Warshield
Armadyl Line (Aline):
- Ah- Armadyl Helmet
- Acp- Armadyl Chestplate
- Acs- Armadyl Chainskirt
- Ag- Armadyl Gloves
- Ab- Armadyl Boots
- Acb- Armadyl Crossbow
- Oacb- Off-Hand Armadyl Crossbow
- Buck- Armadyl Buckler
Subjugation Line (Sline/Sub line):
- Sh- Hood of Subjugation
- Garb- Garb of Subjugation
- Gown- Gown of Subjugation
- Sg- Gloves of Subjugation
- Sb- Boots of Subjugation
- Ward- Ward of Subjugation
Amulets:
- Hiss- Saradomin's Hiss
- Murm- Saradomin's Murmur
- Whisp- Saradomin's Whisper
Anima Core - Seren
- Serh - Anima Core Helm of Seren
- Serb - Anima Core Body of Seren
- Serl - Anima Core Legs of Seren
Anima Core - Sliske
- Slih - Anima Core Helm of Sliske
- Slib - Anima Core Body of Sliske
- Slil - Anima Core Legs of Sliske
Anima Core - Zamorak
- Zamh - Anima Core Helm of Zamorak
- Zamb - Anima Core Body of Zamorak
- Zaml - Anima Core Legs of Zamorak
Anima Core - Zaros
- Zarh - Anima Core Helm of Zaros
- Zarb - Anima Core Body of Zaros
- Zarl - Anima Core Legs of Zaros
GWD2 Weapons
- Mhsg/Ohsg - Shadow Glaive/Off-hand Shadow Glaive
- Lance - Dragon rider lance
- Avaryss - Blade of Avaryss
- Nymora - Blade of Nymora
- Cywir - Wand of the Cywir Elders
Now you must get set-up to pricecheck. This means that you take the margins from the last pcer (the last post in the "margins" thread) and pasting them into a word document or notepad. Then i normally put the margins on the side of the screen so it is visible while I'm playing, so I don't have to click back and forth! After you're setup you're ready to pc! G A Z Z A made a guide on how to pc using Runescape Companion, which makes it infinitely times easier! I use it every time I pc! [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]I will be using the following margin for each scenario:Bb: 1125-1300Scenario #1- Giving a margin- Spoiler:
Player: Bb please Pcer: Bb: 1125-1300 Player (hopefully): Thanks! Pretty simple! Now let’s get to the more difficult part, updating the margins!
Scenario #2- Buying/Selling at the margin in under 15 minutes - Spoiler:
Player: Bb nib 1125 rx0 9min Pcer: Bb now: 1100-1300 Because the player bought the bandos boots in under 15 minutes, it mean the buy price for them needs to be stretched by 25k. It would be the same thing if it was a sell, except here you would be adding 25k! Scenario #3- Buying/Selling at the margin in over 15 minutes - Spoiler:
Player: Bb nib 1125 28min If an item is bought at the margin in over 15 minutes, you keep the margin the same. If it buys at the margin, the margin is still good! Scenario #4- Changing the margin after someone USES the rule - Spoiler:
Player: Bb nis rx2 1250 15min Pcer: Bb now: 1125-1250 This player used the rule, which means they waited 30minutes at 1300, adjusted it to 1275 and waited 30 more minutes, and then adjusting it again and waiting until it finally sold (You will see the rx#, which tells you they used the rule!). In this case you would change the sell price to 1250 because it didn’t buy at 1300 and 1275 after 30 minutes, but bought at 1250 after 15 minutes (If it bought in under 15 minutes, you would use the previous number. Ex: Bb nis rx2 1250 6min would make the margin 1125-1275 because 6 minutes is too fast to have the margin be at that!). Scenario #5- Instant buys and Instant sells - Spoiler:
Player 1: Bb ins 1375 Pcer: Can anyone confirm? Player 2: I also ins bb at 1375 Pcer: Bb now 1125-1425 When an instant buy or sell occurs, you change the margin to 50k +/- the price the inb/ins was for (to the nearest 25k). Because the ins was so for off the margin, it is a good idea to get a confirm before changing it as it could have been a lucky sell. TO GET A CONFIRM YOU ASK SOMEONE TO BUY AT THAT PRICE OR TO THE NEAREST 25K INTERVAL. IT DOES NOT HAVE TO INSTANT BUY TO CONFIRM IT. JUST LEAVE YOUR OFFER IN AND WAIT!! My rule of thumb is to get a confirm for anything that instant buys or sells 50k+ above or below the margin. Scenario #6- Instant buys and Instant sells (without a confirm) - Spoiler:
Player: Bb ins 1300 Pcer: Bb now 1125-1350 Since it sold at the margin instantly, it is probably not a lucky sell and the margin needs to be changed. There is no need to get a confirm on this (usually). I normally will not get a confirm for things 0-25k over/under the margin. Again, you add 50k to the margin because it is an instant sell.
You may need to get a confirm for this, it depends on the person (if you can tell they're trusted) and how the margins are acting at the time! Scenario #7- Dealing with all kinds of cuts! - Spoiler:
Player: Bb nis 1250 3min In this case, you would pretty much ignore the report. They cut by 50k, so of course their item will sell fast. We do not know if the item will not sell at the current margin so you cannot change it. Player: Bb nib 1150 58min Pcer: Bb now 1150-1300 In this case you would change the price as if they used the rule. The buy time at 1150 is too high, and it is obvious that it would not buy at 1125. This would make the new buy 1150. This, however, does not happen often and cuts usually take only a little while to buy or sell. It is up to the current pricechecker as whether or not to change the margin because of cuts like these, so use your best judgment (or ask!). Scenerio #8- Conflicts - Spoiler:
Player 1: Bb nis 1300 7min Player 2: Conflict, I’ve been selling at 1300 for 20 minutes Pcer: Player 1, could you post a screenshot of that sell on the forums? Because someone was selling it for longer, there was a conflict on the sell and they may be trying to manipulate the prices. To get around this you should ask both the person who sold the item and the person who conflicted to state what the EXACT prices they sold/have the item in for (also if they are buying the item, ask if the person who conflicted is on their limit, the usually are!). Then, if there is still a conflict, ask the person who made the sell to post a screenshot of their GE history WITH the date and time in the picture. Then, you personally have to check the screenshot to make sure it’s legit before changing anything. If they refuse or the screenshot does not support their claim, tell a krank who will investigate it further or kick/ban the person if necessary!
Most conflicts can be solved without a screenshot, so ask first! FAQ: Does a pcer have to give line? NO! Lines, if not on companion, can be very draining and require a lot of attention. It is the pcers choice to do lines or not! If anyone give you any problems for saying no lines, the will be dealt with. What if I don’t know how to change a margin? Read this, it explains it! But if you still have questions, ask any of the kranks (people with stars)! Kranks have earned their ranks through pcing, so they know how to do it! This also means that if a krank tells you to change a margin, you should do it. What if I am worried that someone is manipulating the margins? If you are worried, ask a krank and they should be able to tell. Do not call them out on it in the fc, it will cause a whole big commotion and it will be bad. Just ask one of the kranks if you can ask them something, then say something like, “I think Player 1 is giving suspicious reports”. Then a krank will deal with it! What if there is no krank on when I want to pc for the first time? This might not be a good idea. You could mess up the margins and not even know it! A lot of the kranks check over people’s changes, especially on their first time, so it would be good to have one on. Kranks are on almost the whole time, so this probably wont even be an issue! What if someone pms me a report/asks for a margin?Please do not give margins outside of the fc and do not accept reports that are not posted in the fc. This can lead to manipulation through the reports and we do not want our margins given to people outside of the fc as people could be taking them. The buy and sell price is the same! What should I do?
A reason for this is that it could be the margins are small, or when the item isn't being reported enough so it's not updated enough to have the full accurate price. Try and get updates for this sort of thing as soon as possible, whether that means you flipping the item or asking someone in the channel to flip it. Useful LinksCompanion Guide: http://www.flipchat1rs.com/t976-pricechecking-on-companion-app Margins: http://www.flipchat1rs.com/f11-margins Conflict Proof: http://www.flipchat1rs.com/f16-conflict-proof This may seem overwhelming, but I assure you it is not as hard as it sounds! I find it relaxing actually, and only rarely does it get overwhelming. If you are curious about pcing and still have question, ask a krank in the friends chat or reply to this guide! Thank you again for your interest in pricechecking!
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Cherubdoo
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Posts : 2 Join date : 2015-01-09
| Subject: Re: How to PC in Flipchat1 16/1/2015, 23:14 | |
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DECA Tribute
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| Subject: Re: How to PC in Flipchat1 18/1/2015, 11:43 | |
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freezexez
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Posts : 1 Join date : 2014-12-29
| Subject: Re: How to PC in Flipchat1 7/2/2015, 18:25 | |
| i dont understand anything ... |
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flashmigma1
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Posts : 20 Join date : 2014-12-02 Age : 31
| Subject: Re: How to PC in Flipchat1 26/2/2015, 04:54 | |
| I was told by Niall to remove the *'s when I was Pc'ing which indicated an updated or confirmed margin.
Yet half the time I look in the Margins post for today OR when people PC they use *'s.
So is that no longer a thing or did Niall just impose his personal prefernces on me? |
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Joey P
Posts : 1335 Join date : 2014-06-08 Age : 34 Location : England
| Subject: Re: How to PC in Flipchat1 26/2/2015, 05:42 | |
| @flashmigma1 - Good question. *'s are put next to prices on the forum to indicate that price has been updated and/or confirmed and this is explained to FC1 members by putting an indicator at the top of the margins post which should say something like "* = Updated/Confirmed". It shouldn't be used when pc'ing in-game as it can cause confusion, would clog the chat when people have to keep asking what it means and, depending on how the * is used, it can mess up the entire word being written and cause it to "star out". EG - BG 1000-1200* could become BG 1000-***** This is of course, just an example, and if the * is used correctly that may not happen. But for the sake of keeping things simple it is better to just not use a * when pc'ing in-game. Hope this explains it ok @freezexez - Feel free to PM a rank or pc'er in-game if you have any questions about pc'ing or anything else FC1-related |
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eyeglassmonkey
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Posts : 41 Join date : 2014-12-17
| Subject: Re: How to PC in Flipchat1 7/3/2015, 04:38 | |
| Should you give 2 or more lines to the same person back to back? Also, what if someone constantly asks for different items without giving a single report? |
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dvah1987
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Posts : 798 Join date : 2014-01-14 Age : 36 Location : the netherlands
| Subject: Re: How to PC in Flipchat1 7/3/2015, 12:58 | |
| we cant force ppl to report, so even if they dont report still give them the requested items and about the 2 lines, every1 has only 6 ge slots so 2 lines isnt neccesary for them to ask. i personally always ask hy some1 needs 2 lines and depending on the awnser i react to it most common awnsers ive seen are.
cause i want to see which are mot profitable > my awnser they are all profitable so 1 line only ive got items in ge for both lines > my awnser, then ask for those specific items i want to flip both tops/legs > my awnser then ask for those item then instead of the full lines
and just more of those, as pcer i see it my "job" to teach them how to help the pcer (in that case urself) do his "job". hopefully this helped you with your questions. greetings dantastico |
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eyeglassmonkey
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| Subject: Re: How to PC in Flipchat1 7/3/2015, 18:00 | |
| That helped a lot, thank you very much! |
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xJocelynx
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Posts : 23 Join date : 2014-04-28 Age : 25 Location : Florida,USA
| Subject: Re: How to PC in Flipchat1 13/5/2015, 01:04 | |
| How would you change margin if someone reports a stretch? Also, hoq oquld you update margins with margins EX. 1-50? |
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dvah1987
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Posts : 798 Join date : 2014-01-14 Age : 36 Location : the netherlands
| Subject: Re: How to PC in Flipchat1 13/5/2015, 01:53 | |
| stretches are updated as if it are normal reprots illl showw in 2 examples
the pc of gown is 2000-2200 some1 reports
example 1 > nib gown 1950 25min (stretch) time is more then 15min meaning new margin will become gown 1950-2200
example 2 > nib gown 1950 5 min (stretch) time is less then 15 min meaning you should stretch pc even more, gown update should be gown 1925-2200
example 3 > nib gown 1950 40min (stretch) time is more then 30min meaning time is to long margin should be made smaller for optimal profit. gown update should be 1975-2200
hopefully this explains everything about adjusting prices when a margin is stretched
and margins with 1-50 are updated as normal
so if you get a report nib bws 25 rx1 10min it would remain 1-50. if time is between 15-30min margin gets updated to 25-50 and if its longer then 30min margin would become 50-50 meaning the buyer probably needs to try to stretch the sell for a profit. |
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slim_radio
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| Subject: Re: How to PC in Flipchat1 17/7/2015, 19:19 | |
| Hey guys I'm a new PCer in flipchat1 and I had a bit of an issue today. A player kept reporting numbers strangely and I didnt know what I should do EX:
Margin 1225 - 1425 Player reports nib 1261 ^ no rule or minutes are given here and he is clearly not using the rule properly because he's given multiple reports that aren't multiples of 25.
Should I round the 1261 to 1275 and assume he used the rule twice? And what about minutes? I asked him to report properly so I knew rx and mins but he kept reporting his way.
Thanks for the help! |
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dvah1987
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| Subject: Re: How to PC in Flipchat1 17/7/2015, 19:40 | |
| when ppl cut and report properly you can round to the nearest 25k incredement. when ppl cut but dont report properly (so no rule time used) you can just ignore the report. |
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slim_radio
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| Subject: Re: How to PC in Flipchat1 17/7/2015, 19:41 | |
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Maagwand
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Posts : 140 Join date : 2015-09-16 Age : 25 Location : West Europe
| Subject: Re: How to PC in Flipchat1 8/2/2016, 20:02 | |
| I've got some questions before I want to start PCing: Can I (when I am PCing) use my own reports to change a margin? Can I (when I am not PCing) update margins using player reports on the forum only? If I encounter a player report with an is/ib which is off-margin, should I always consider that a lucky one? Can a player interfere with the decision of a PCer considering players ib/is a lucky one? How long's a PCing session? (Any rules/guidelines for that?)
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Joey P
Posts : 1335 Join date : 2014-06-08 Age : 34 Location : England
| Subject: Re: How to PC in Flipchat1 3/4/2016, 00:58 | |
| - Maagwand wrote:
I've got some questions before I want to start PCing: Can I (when I am PCing) use my own reports to change a margin? Can I (when I am not PCing) update margins using player reports on the forum only? If I encounter a player report with an is/ib which is off-margin, should I always consider that a lucky one? Can a player interfere with the decision of a PCer considering players ib/is a lucky one? How long's a PCing session? (Any rules/guidelines for that?)
Hey Maagwand Sorry it's taken so long to post a reply to this, but hopefully you'll find the following information useful! "Can I (when I am PCing) use my own reports to change a margin?"-Yes! As long as you're reporting them in the FC just before you update then it's fine! And the nice thing is, you'll be making profit while you PC "Can I (when I am not PCing) update margins using player reports on the forum only?"-Yes, other ranks occasionally do this too. It's best to do so at times when there have been 2+ hours without a PC'er, or when there are a lot of reports on the forum to use. If you do this, be sure to let the FC know that it's been updated "If I encounter a player report with an is/ib which is off-margin, should I always consider that a lucky one?"-Personally I prefer to take ALL reports into account. Every time I've encountered a "lucky buy/sell", I've always followed up by trying to buy/sell for the same price and it has worked. Even if the price is only going to change to that price temporarily, it's up to us to keep track of that price. It's not up to us to decide whether it's going to be temporary or not. So I would update using these "lucky" inb/ins reports. Others disagree and suggest that it's better to get it confirmed first by another player buying/selling at the same "lucky" price. It's up to you which method you'd be more comfortable using "Can a player interfere with the decision of a PCer considering players ib/is a lucky one?"-The only players who can overturn the decision of a PC'er or request the PC'er changes the way they're updating would be those ranked Lieutenant or above ("kick-ranks"). Otherwise, all final decisions are made by the PC'er. If you have a complaint or question about the way a PC'er is updating, it's always best to contact a rank in-game or post on the forums. "How long's a PCing session? (Any rules/guidelines for that?)"-We appreciate all PC'ing! So if you're PC'ing for 5 minutes or 5 days, it's all fantastic stuff to be doing The shortest I've seen so far is less than a minute. The current record for the longest PC'ing session is held by Fae Kudu, who PC'd non-stop for 36 hours! He likes to remind us of this epic achievement every now and then lol XD |
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Cnidarian
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| Subject: Re: How to PC in Flipchat1 24/5/2016, 12:07 | |
| Regarding reports of buys/sells taking longer than 30 mins what is the correct way to update the margins? Let me put an example: Bcp margin is 3350-3800, following report comes: Nib Bcp 3400 rx2 ~1 hour.
Should the new margin be: A) 3400-3800 (as it buys at 3400 that is the current margin even though it may take a while) B) 3375-3800 (similar to what was posted by dvah earlier in this thread)
I have seen pc'ers do both, but which is preferable? |
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Keystones
Posts : 575 Join date : 2013-11-26 Age : 26
| Subject: Re: How to PC in Flipchat1 26/5/2016, 10:01 | |
| - Cnidarian wrote:
- Regarding reports of buys/sells taking longer than 30 mins what is the correct way to update the margins? Let me put an example:
Bcp margin is 3350-3800, following report comes: Nib Bcp 3400 rx2 ~1 hour.
Should the new margin be: A) 3400-3800 (as it buys at 3400 that is the current margin even though it may take a while) B) 3375-3800 (similar to what was posted by dvah earlier in this thread)
I have seen pc'ers do both, but which is preferable? Hey Cnidarian I personally would update the price to 3400. The reason I would do this is because the price was first adjusted to 3375 and did not buy, but the item did buy at 3400. Hope this answers your question, - Keystones |
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Cnidarian
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Gamedolf
Posts : 243 Join date : 2014-09-27 Age : 27 Location : Valinor
| Subject: Re: How to PC in Flipchat1 26/5/2016, 10:59 | |
| 3425 would also be correct, as it took longer than 30 minutes, but 3400 is highly preferred. |
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